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Post by Lom83 on Oct 21, 2007 4:46:53 GMT -5
I apologise too, being pretty new here and I don't always fully read all the things said, I got a bit confused about who was claiming what and probably didn't check it up too much but anyway if I got things wrong, I apologise... my heads pretty messed up at the moment, sometimes I get the wrong end of the stick and if I did then sorry I don't mean to. I think I was mainly generalising though, which I still stand by
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Post by texasgal on Oct 21, 2007 7:25:08 GMT -5
Well, I stand corrected. Owen has been quoted (in People mag for one) alluding to "an Irish strain of depression." But I missed his quote that he is severely clinically depressed and that he is a cutter. I would have thought these the stuff of tabloid news and just ugly rumors as much as the alleged alcohol/drug abuse.
I thought severely clinically depressed people are so disabled they are barely able to leave their beds. Clearly, Owen lives an active lifestyle. And if the cutting is true, I'd assume most people would want to keep that a secret. But, in the right circumstances, people can say the most amazing things about themselves.
I've also missed the widely publicized facts of him using chauffeur services or staying at hotels when he's had too much to drink, and I've missed all the examples of his civic responsibility. (Mind, I'm not claiming Owen is NOT civic-minded; I'm just saying I didn't know these things are commonly known). So despite my best efforts of reading all the Wilson news print media I can find every week, I've missed all these details about him that everyone else here knew.
So my mistake. I've misunderstood (a lot of things apparently). I apologize to Caraboo and to all the others whom I've offended.
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Post by bettygem on Oct 21, 2007 7:45:03 GMT -5
I feel like I read everything to do with Owen in the media too and I have never read about him being a cutter and severely clinically depressed either, this board is the only place I have heard this.
I think the truth is no one, including the media knows what happened apart from Owen's inner circle.
The rumor about Owen being drunk hasn't made it most all the gossip sites, like Perez, ICYDK, socialites life etc which makes me believe the story even less because if the gossip sites aren't even reporting it then how much stock can be put into the Life and Style story.
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Post by Lom83 on Oct 21, 2007 7:51:12 GMT -5
The drunk rumour was published at digital spy, which is a pretty good source of info. for stuff, at least its one of my favourite websites anyway... though its not really (at least not only) about showbiz info. but about digital media and broadcasting as well...
I think some degree of depression has to be present if he did attempt to commit suicide but whether this was something new or not I don't know and where it stems from and everything could be debated...
this is maybe a little OT but I've been kind of wondering if he might write an autobiography at some stage(?) I'd be quite keen to read that if he did! there must be alot of things that he could write about after all that he's accomplished and what-not... since he lieks writing and everything, it might be a therapeutic thing to do too, maybe (?) just a thought *shrug*
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Post by texasgal on Oct 21, 2007 8:03:12 GMT -5
Lom, stories about Owen's drunkenness and visits to AA have been circulating in the media for years. I think it's possible Owen might be a social drinker, but an alcoholic? I don't believe that.
Caraboo, please correct me if I'm wrong; I'm not a psychologist. But depression is very common, and there are varying degrees of depression and different causes of depression. We all get the blues from time-to-time; I have them almost ALL the time. Most of us even get depressed from time-to-time due either to situations (like a major loss) or brain chemistry. But I think the term 'depression' is over-used. People who are truly chemically caused depressed aren't all THAT common. I rarely meet people who have been so depressed that they can't function in their daily life. THAT is what I thought it meant to be severely clinically depressed.
I too would think there would have to be a factor of depression involved in a suicide attempt. But it has yet to be proved that what happened to Owen in August was a suicide attempt.
I would LOVE to see Owen write his autobiography. Heck, we see autobiographies published every day about people who aren't nearly as interesting as Owen.
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Post by bettygem on Oct 21, 2007 8:21:03 GMT -5
I agree there must have been a factor of depression but being depressed and being severely clinically depressed are big differences.
Digital Spy often publish gossip and reports that are already making the rounds on the internet, I personally wouldn't take that site as reliable, but that's just me.
Is Owen still in Texas?
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Post by caraboo on Oct 21, 2007 9:08:33 GMT -5
Ok, here goes. I'll try to explain some more Texasgal. If I don't explain it right don't get mad, I'm just trying to share the logic behind my conclusions. I know that you have long supported Owen and his family, so I get where you are coming from.
Most people suffer from depression now and again. However, there are several levels of depressive illness. Mild depression can affect anybody at any time, reactive depression as a result of a crap day, can last for a couple of days. Then there is a sort of low level chronic depression or melancholy than can last for quite a long time, technically called dysthymia, that doesn't stop people from functioning but becomes something that they learn to live with or keep under control. Then there is clinical depression which is depressive illness that lasts for two weeks or more. Both the chronic depression and the clinical depression require antidepressant treatment. When major events occur, such as Owen's, with clinical depression it is often described as severe clinical depression. There is a range of symptoms associated with depression, but no two people are ever the same, one person may not be able to get out of bed, another person might be feeling too agitated to get into it.
From what his lawyer and Wes have said we know that Owen did not overdose, he was not near death and only had taken the antidepressants prescibed by his GP. We also know that he cut his left wrist, across the wrist and not up the arm. Also his emotional well being has been disturbed to such an extent over the past few weeks that he has lost weight and has had to cancel several major commitments and put his career on hold. I can't think of any other conclusions that make any sense other than clinical depression.
Also, just to clarify some other things if I may....The references re: the drive home scooter service came from the post Starksy and Hutch after party when both he and Ben were driven home and again in Austin when he was driven home after the Wendell Baker Premiere Party two years ago. I also read some blogger mentioning that they'd seen him, and that he and his party were booking a hotel room at the Four Seasons in LA following a night on the town. It was about 3 or 4 years back.
Examples of civic responsibility off the top of my head - he cleans up after his dog, and picks up litter, he does charitable works, he drives a Prius, he cares about the environment. He buys solar panels from organisations that help the poor to benefit from solar technology. Do you get my drift in that one.
I haven't mentioned bipolar disorder, which is what Ben Stiller suffers from btw, I think the above covers what I am trying to say. Having worked in mental health for a very long time I don't share the long held stigmas and treatment of mental health issues as a taboo subject. It's a treatable illness that needs to be out in open, especially when it concerns men. Too many men suffer in silence which is a tragedy as far as I am concerned. I think what has happened to Owen has opened up a lot of discussion, which is not a bad thing.
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Post by texasgal on Oct 21, 2007 11:22:30 GMT -5
Thank you, Caraboo. I stand corrected and informed. I don't hold it against Owen (or anyone else) if he is severely clinically depressed and a cutter. He's only human, and nobody's perfect. Actually, it makes him all the more admirable that he's been able to accomplish all that he has despite his obstacles.
From your description, I am chronically depressed yet at my age I still haven't achieved anything in life; nothing like Owen has. I would love to apply solar panels to my house and drive a Prius - if I could afford those things. (Prius cost upwards of $25,000). So I think all the more of Owen for being so socially conscious and for setting an example.
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Post by Lom83 on Oct 21, 2007 13:54:43 GMT -5
...I still haven't achieved anything in life; nothing like Owen has. I would love to apply solar panels to my house and drive a Prius - if I could afford those things. (Prius cost upwards of $25,000). So I think all the more of Owen for being so socially conscious and for setting an example. aw dont say that Gal, I doubt thats the case, we women can be far too hard on ourselves! you've done more than I have, im sure... here - #hug# (sorry to go OT there)
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Post by caraboo on Oct 21, 2007 14:31:55 GMT -5
I take delivery of a Prius next week. I am really excited about it as I do a lot of driving with my work which has always really bugged me environmentally speaking.
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Post by Lom83 on Oct 21, 2007 14:41:14 GMT -5
I take delivery of a Prius next week. I am really excited about it as I do a lot of driving with my work which has always really bugged me environmentally speaking. Cool; I saw one in a Toyota show room a while back... their pretty expensive...
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Post by texasgal on Oct 21, 2007 14:53:00 GMT -5
Congratulations on the new Prius, Caraboo! I'll need to replace my car in the next year or two. I'm thinking of a Honda Fit or Toyota Yaris. They have a conventional engine but get high mileage and cost less than $15,000. Even at that price, it's still going to be a difficult purchase for me.
And thanks for your kind remarks, Lom. Unfortunately, in my case, what I said is true.
Sorry for going off-topic.
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Post by Lom83 on Oct 21, 2007 16:00:02 GMT -5
Congratulations on the new Prius, Caraboo! I'll need to replace my car in the next year or two. I'm thinking of a Honda Fit or Toyota Yaris. They have a conventional engine but get high mileage and cost less than $15,000. Even at that price, it's still going to be a difficult purchase for me. And thanks for your kind remarks, Lom. Unfortunately, in my case, what I said is true. Sorry for going off-topic. I find that hard to believe; it doesn't take much to have done more than I have really *shrug* oh well... I haven't heard of the Honda Fit but the Yaris is a nice car, though Toyotas tend to be a bit overpriced... I hear cars are cheaper in the US than they are here though.
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Post by Remi on Oct 21, 2007 17:15:40 GMT -5
Please don't be so hard on yourself, Tex! You've touched so many lives - humankind and animal! With all your volunteer work, and donating blood, (volunteering to and actually) taking people in after they've lost their home, and all the random acts of kindness that I'm sure you do everyday (I have been a recipient of such acts myself!). Not to mention feeding the cats in your neighborhood, and taking them in to get shots, and be fixed, and other medical attention if needed. And that's just the tip of the Texas-sized iceberg, too!
It's nice that you're modest about these things, but don't ever think that you haven't make a mark on this world, and you continue to do that everyday. You've made such a difference in others' lives - that's definitely one of the best accomplishments one can ever hope to have in life!
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Post by texasgal on Oct 21, 2007 21:44:47 GMT -5
Remi, your words are like loving caresses! You are a treasure yourself. So sweet, kind, and thoughtful. And you always do the right thing.
Modified to add: And this posting doesn't belong here because it's not a Rumor! It's the truth, and all of us know it.
#hug#
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