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Post by hansel07 on Jul 5, 2008 19:44:58 GMT -5
The two guys were close friend and often worked together till 2004 in about 8 movies. Then they went separated ways, Owen had a part in Night at Museum, but he met his old pal only one day and they didn't promote together, neither premieres together. Then he was easily fired from TT for personal troubles, and I guess now he has a small part in Night at Museum 2, since Owen is working on MaMor he is travelling Europe, while they started to shoot about one month ago. The Ben Stiller seems to enjoy new friends like Tom Cruise or Robert Downing jr, while he doesn't appear with Owen since 2004. Ben Stiller is also working on other 3 or 4 projects, noone of these involving Owen. So I wonder if their relationship could be conidered close, and the Frat Pack has died because all the members are working separately anf they don't seem to support each other no more (attending premieres..)
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Post by texasgal on Jul 6, 2008 6:58:10 GMT -5
On a personal basis, Ben Stiller has a family, and Owen is single no kids. I've found myself that it's difficult to be friends with people who have families in the same way as I would be if they were single no kids. Sometimes you can still hang out together with your married friend almost like in the "old days" before your friend married. But once kids come, things change. It's just the way it is. I don't see why it should be any different for celebrities than for "regular" people like me. Ben & Owen were still buddies when Ben married and had his first child, but we don't see them together like we used to. Maybe Ben & Owen's friendship has run its own course as friendships can do. Or maybe Ben just wants to be with his family more than with his friends. I think that's only natural for a good husband and father.
On a professional basis, maybe this Frat Pack has "run its course." Maybe we're not going to see many more movies with the same Frat Pack actors appearing in them all the time. And maybe the Frat Pack is changing its "membership roster," losing some and adding others. As actors grow and mature, they can't be expected to make the same kind of movies repeatedly - unless they want to be typecast as doing only those kinds of films. I'm thinking of partnerships like Laurel & Hardy, Abbott & Costello, or Martin & Lewis. Those partnerships were very successful but involved only two people. I'm sure Frat Pack movies could be popular and box offices successes for a long time to come. But maybe the actors are just tired of those kinds of movies and want to expand?
M&M is an example of this for Owen. Owen has never appeared in a movie before where he's been a husband & father with a job and day-to-day responsibilities & obligations. So this is a new kind of movie for him, and I'm as happy to see him this way as I am to see him in movies like YM&D. Maybe Owen's professional ambitions are taking him in a different direction from the kinds of movies Ben wants to make & do. Owen has projects lined up that don't involve Ben as Ben's don't involve Owen.
So, yes, maybe the Frat Pack movies as we knew them are coming to a close?
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Post by peg on Jul 6, 2008 11:26:30 GMT -5
What projects does Owen have lined up? I only know of the Nights of the Museum 2. I do not know how big his part will be it seems like every day they are adding to the cast.
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Post by sunsetghost on Jul 6, 2008 11:48:43 GMT -5
Very good points, Texas. I do hope we'll see the guys together again, but only if the right scripts comes along. In the meantime, I'm glad the guys are branching out a bit and playing some different roles. Realistically, most of the guys are around 40 (not that there is anything wrong with that ;D) and the type of roles they play will naturally change as they...uh...mature. I would love to see a Wedding Crashers sequel but I doubt it will ever happen. The storyline just doesn't scream "sequel" and it would be hard to top the original. I can't wait to see Owen in the role of husband/Dad. Talk about sexy.........
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Post by texasgal on Jul 6, 2008 19:39:59 GMT -5
That's a good point, Sunset. For actors approaching age 40 to play roles more appropriate for 20-something-year-olds might start to appear rather ridiculous to their target audience. Younger actors are coming up who are more age-appropriate for Frat Pack type movies. Maybe it's just me being a fuddy-duddy, but something about 40-something-year-old people acting like kids makes me a little uncomfortable. I like to see them acting more "their age" now and then. But, as Sunset rightly points out, it's not their fault that good scripts aren't always available for them at the right time.
Just as successful TV shows like "Friends" and "Frasier" ended while they were still popular, maybe similar plans are in the works for the original members of the Frat Pack movies. The Bee Gee's father was their manager all their lives and advised them to always leave the stage with their audience wanting more. Maybe it's like that in TV and movies too. Better to quit while ahead than to overstay one's longevity and "jump the shark."
As for Owen's upcoming projects, I checked IMDb. What used to be listed there on his current agenda seems to have been cut back to just NATM 2 (listed as 'filming') and being executive producer of Year One. At one time there had been more on his itinerary such as the long-anticipated collaboration with Harold Ramis on a movie adaptation of the book, Hello To All That. I thought there had been something else too but I've forgotten the details.
Maybe Owen decided to cut his schedule for the next few months and take some time off. And maybe something came up for Harold Ramis to take him away from the project with Owen. And maybe there are projects in the works for Owen that haven't been made public to IMDb yet. Sometimes IMDb isn't the most up-to-date source for news but it's the only place I know to look.
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Post by meowencrazy on Jul 6, 2008 22:12:39 GMT -5
I dont have much experience on the matter of friendship, as i havent crossed the 20-agemark. But i know one thing, my friend, who i know for a little more than a decade now, whom i have not talked to in ages, will always be there for me. I dont know when we'll meet, but just knowing she's there for me is enough. I hope BenOwen never ends and that their friendship is as beautiful as it gets. Besides Ben knows how imp. Owen is, in his movies. Thats why he roped him in in the first place. And so, when he asked owen to take a break, he replaced him with a guy who's quite like him.
Also, Ben and Tom have been friends for a while, i'm guessing ever since Ben played Tom Crooze in a spoof titled Mission Improbable.
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Post by hansel07 on Jul 7, 2008 5:05:48 GMT -5
Tom and Ben are still friends nowadays. Since Owen is no more in his movies, Ben genre hasn't changed, but films are less funny, The Heartbreak Kid was good to be rented for a evening, nothing spectacular, no sketches or lines to be remembered. Besides I think the substitute for Wilson bros is Steve Carrell who is older then the two and all the Apatow crew, whose I can't bear the continous explicit drug sex references and bad language...it's so boring... Once I read on this forum that Owen career wasn't in danger because Ben and Wes had always something for him, well, he hasn't signed a contract since August fact, while Wes and Ben are working on new projects... Maybe MaM will be the crucial point of Owen career, I hope he will have good critics and box office numbers, because also In Behind the enemy lines he was good, bot he has been forgotten because it wasn't his typical role....And expecially I don't want to read "Suicidal guy plays a sad story about dogs"... Finally I think that Owen career has its mirror in Luke career, in fact this year he is involved only in a indipendent movie, so he 's more involved in playing golf .... I would miss them so much if they 'll be forced to reduce drastically their movies, because I trhink the two are unique, the use of facial expression, the improvisations, and so on
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Post by texasgal on Jul 7, 2008 5:42:25 GMT -5
We don't know if Ben & Owen are still friends or not. Just because we don't see them together and making movies together doesn't mean they aren't friends. I was only suggesting that maybe their friendship has moved to a different level. And just because Ben & Owen haven't been in a movie together for a while doesn't mean they never will be in a movie together again. Ben knows his movies with Owen did very well at the box office. I'm sure he'll want to have Owen with him again sometime when the right story/script comes.
We don't know if Owen's diminished career this year is out of other's choosing or his own choice. Maybe he has received fewer offers since what happened last August but he was signed to do M&M after last August. If M&M is a big success, maybe more offers will come his way. Or maybe he wants time off from making movies to figure out what he wants to do. Maybe he's mulling over doing more writing?
I too hope he doesn't disappear from the big screen. I would miss him sooooo much.
Maybe Luke is on a path to become a pro golfer?? He should do what he wants to do, but I'd hope he'd still make movies!!
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Post by hansel07 on Jul 7, 2008 6:43:20 GMT -5
Owen signed MaM a few days before the sad event- sure. It's another thing which shocked at the time, he was going to start working again (Venice festival, TT, M&M) and we know what happened.
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Post by texasgal on Jul 7, 2008 17:19:49 GMT -5
Hansel, I'm not sure what your point is. I'm not trying to argue, just trying to understand. I think if they had lost confidence in Owen because of what happened in August, they would have fired him even if he had already signed. (And I thought the signing for M&M came after, not before). But if he signed before the August event, they still kept him in the cast. Or he or his agent convinced someone to keep him in the cast. Whatever, I'm sure they are now glad they kept him as he is a good box office draw.
And I've not heard of Owen giving them any problems while filming. No tantrums, no absences, no arguing. Owen has no history of behavioral problems in Hollywood that I've ever heard. I've only ever heard of him always being very cooperative, resourceful, and professional. I'm sure he still maintains that good reputation which is a feather in his cap.
He was only dropped from Tropic Thunder because filming started just a week or two after the event, and Owen was still too unwell to participate. Either he was dropped, or he cancelled out - whichever. But he did attend the premier of Darjeeling Limited less than two months after the event which surprised everyone, so I've heard. I don't remember anyone saying Owen was expected to appear at the premier. In fact, I thought just the opposite.
I guess now I'm the one who's trying to put a positive spin on things. I bounce back & forth between being positive and being worried. I notice others here do too so at least I'm not alone.
On a somewhat different topic, it occurred to me that maybe Owen is keeping a low profile lately because he knows the first anniversary of the August event is coming up next month. He could be feeling self-conscious about it and maybe even worse than that - though I sure hope he's not feeling too bad!
Also, his 40th birthday is "looming" in November, and maybe he has issues with that. I think women tend to have a harder time coping with milestone birthdays than men, but some men do also. I know my 40th was the one I thought about the most, even more so than my 50th. Maybe Owen wants to take quiet time off to spend time in deep reflection, taking stock of his life and what sort of path he wants to take from here.
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Post by hansel07 on Jul 7, 2008 17:47:29 GMT -5
Or maybe he wants only to escape the rumours and gossip and come back for Marley prom...I think and hope paps will get bored in following him, since his life is quiet...what we really worry us are the numbers and comparisons with last year (even if I said other times hewasn't back with Kate Hudson for me). One of the big problem of Owen (and Luke too) is to handle badly with a certain kind of popularity, as they in THS, they aren't typical Hollywood guys, I still see a sort of innocence and shyness in them.I think they have to move from LA, but I don't wanna go off topic. What really frighten me is that movie makers can have lost faith in him, also his long time friends Wes and Ben, as actor or writer. Meanwhile surely he doesn't create problems to crews, he focused very well On M&M, partecipating to events for it. I hope this will taken as a good sign, because it's sad to look he (and Luke) involved in so a few projects in spite of their unique attitude and qualities
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Post by texasgal on Jul 7, 2008 17:59:38 GMT -5
Yes, those are very good points, Hansel. I've said before here on this forum that I have the impression Owen & Luke would trade a little of their success for a little more privacy if that was an option. You're right in that they don't seem 'Hollywood.' I can tell even by the way they dress. They seem like they would be more comfortable back in Texas than in Hollywood. Maybe that's why they come to Texas so much, and maybe that's why Owen moved out of Santa Monica to Malibu. Maybe life is a little more quiet and sane in Malibu than in Santa Monica. (That's just a total guess since I'm not familiar with the Los Angeles socio-geography).
It's hard to believe their movie careers are deteriorating to the extent that you fear, Hansel. I'm sure it's not true. It's possible they might be taking a "breather" for a few months but surely they will be back to make more movies in the future. I'm sure they know how much they are loved by their fans and movie audiences. It's too hard to accept that they are permanently turning their backs on their successful careers. And certainly their employers want them back for more movies too!
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Post by Podbaydoor on Aug 28, 2008 7:23:57 GMT -5
Don't know where to post this and not sure if it has been posted before, but here's a Heatvision and Jack website, I just found out about. www.hvaj.com/
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Post by meowencrazy on Aug 28, 2008 7:30:33 GMT -5
Thanks, Pod..... #kissing#
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Post by texasgal on Aug 28, 2008 19:28:27 GMT -5
Thanks, Pod! I never knew about this. It's a shame this didn't happen.
Changing the topic just a bit:
Tonight Sen. Barack Obama is delivering his nomination acceptance speech. Just think: in 2000, Sen. Obama could barely afford to attend the Dem convention. He had just lost a congressional election, he didn't have much money, his marriage was a bit shakey and, when he got to the convention city, he couldn't even rent a car as his credit card was declined. What a difference a few years makes!
Richard Nixon lost the 1960 presidential election and then lost the 1962 California gubernatorial election. But he came back in 1968 to win the presidency. (Not that I'm a big fan of Richard Nixon!)
There have been several comebacks in Entertainment too - some even after the entertainers announced their retirement.
My point is that I hope those who feel Luke's & Owen's careers are finished will remember there are comebacks. (Not that I ever thought Luke & Owen have gone away....)
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