Margot
Anthony's Spanish Tutor
How sweet and tender he is when brushing the eyelash from Margot's cheek.
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Post by Margot on Mar 27, 2004 12:42:46 GMT -5
I thought you might be interested to see how movies differ from the scripts they originate from. Here's a link to the script for The Royal Tenenbaums: home.online.no/~bhundlan/scripts/TheRoyalTenenbaums.pdf. You'll notice as you read it, that Eli Cash is married with children, but the family isn't happy. How do you think this difference affects the story? The script is in PDF format, so you'll need Adobe Acrobat Reader to view it. To download Reader for free, visit www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readermain.html. This is completely safe; you will not get any viruses. I'm posting this under Andrew, Luke, Owen and Wes, because it applies to all of them. For discussion purposes, may I suggest replying under the Wes category, since, as director and screenwriter, he has the biggest piece of the Tenenbaum pie.
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Post by maisy on Mar 27, 2004 17:35:17 GMT -5
I have the book of the script and I'm assuming it is the same as the script you refer to. www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0571215459/qid=1080425830/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/102-4720783-5584942?v=glance&s=booksI'm glad they left Eli's family out of the final cut, even though his was was played by Olivia Williams (Ms. Cross in RM) and I would liked to have seen her again. If I remember correctly, there was an inference that Eli was indirectly responsible for breaking his daughters arm as he fell down the steps while holding her. I think Eli would have been a much less sympathetic character if they had kept him w/ family. By the end of the movie, I felt sorry for Eli. After all, he was still sending Etheline his clippings for validation, and had "always wanted to be a Tenenbaum", which I found to be pretty pathetic. It would have been a lot harder to feel sorry for a married, adulterous, child abusing, meth freak who was cheating on his best friend with his best friend's secret love, who he had been entrusted to keep secret! I think in all of the Anderson/Wilson movies, each character has some redeeming, if small, quality. Except for Mr. Henry.
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Post by Librarian on Mar 29, 2004 11:04:34 GMT -5
On the Criterion DVD of TRT, there is a deleted scene of Eli's family. Olivia Williams is painting a portrait of a nude model and you meet Eli's children. The scene is weird. I agree that it was wise to cut the family out.
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Post by bunnypanda on Mar 29, 2004 20:52:54 GMT -5
I actually love that deleted scene of Eli and his family.
I especially love Owen's expression when he says "I fell down the stairs with her."
The scene shows the seriousness of Eli's drug addiction (He fell down the stairs because he was on drug.) and how sad and depressed he is, being treated coldly by his wife and being ignored by his children, probably because he's not a good father. Owen's acting makes Eli look so pathetic yet so human and therefore so sweet.
Although by cutting that scene, Eli looks more lonely and it probably has a better effect on the whole story, that insight into Eli's feelings in this deleted scene has been very interesting to me.
I'm an obsessed Eli lover though ;D
Also in the book maisy posted, there is an interesting scene after that famous "Hello, beautiful." scene. This is how it goes:
Margot and Eli in Margot's single bed with the sheets pulled over their heads. Margot is eating potato chips, smoking a cigarette, and watching the news on her TV with the sound turned off.
ELI: "Could we have dinner with your mother sometime?"
Margot frowns. She looks at Eli strangely.
MARGOT: "What for?"
ELI: (shrugs) "I don't know. I'd just love to see her."
MARGOT: "I don't think so, Eli."
Eli looks disappointed.
(Quoted from The Royal Tenenbaums, Wes Anderson and Owen Wilson, Faber and Faber Limited, 2001)
Doesn't this scene show more about the relationship of Eli and Margot? I had always thought their relationship was kind of shallow, but with this scene it seems a lot deeper to me. I think Eli is so sweet in this scene and I feel so sorry for him that I feel a pain in my chest...a similar one to the one I feel for Dignan.
Because I love Eli and Dignan so much I'm feeling pretty sure I will be so obsessed with Ned Plimpton ;D
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Post by LegallyLukes on Mar 29, 2004 23:12:02 GMT -5
Are those really deleted scenes? I'm sure I saw them on the video I hired. Not as extras, but cut into the movie... hmmm. I could just be going mad, but I swear I've seen those in the normal cut!
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Post by bunnypanda on Mar 30, 2004 19:24:04 GMT -5
Do you mean you saw both "Eli's family" scene and "Eli & Margot in bed" scene on the video?! Or one of them?! On both of my DVDs (normal one and Criterion one) the "Eli's family" scene is one of the two deleted scenes and "Eli & Margot in bed" scene is nowhere to be found. I had thought they had never filmed it. I'd love to see Eli in bed!!! Could you tell me if you saw Eli in bed? OMG Eli!!!!! My imagination...... ;D
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Post by LegallyLukes on Mar 31, 2004 1:22:51 GMT -5
Well, now I'm not sure I don't think I've seen them in bed, but I've def seen the family scene. All evidence clearly leaning towards madness I've just remembered I did hire the DVD once. Perhaps that will explain my warped-memory confusion!
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Post by LegallyLukes on Mar 31, 2004 2:15:40 GMT -5
Ahh, it's so annoying when they do different versions! Here's one to fiddle with your noodle - the Legally Blonde I saw in the cinemas was different to the one they released on DVD. Not kidding here at all. They absolutely mangled the movie when putting it on DVD. When I saw it at the movies, all of the deleted scenes (on the DVD) were in the movie, and some were even different versions of the scenes! For instance, if you have the DVD and listen to the commentary, the director talks about a scene where Elle and Emmet walk through woods talking that they shot and then cut and put the dialogue somewhere else - that was IN the movie I saw! And also, at the end of the movie, a scene where Elle runs out of the courtroom and kisses Emmet (swoon) is not on the DVD at all in any way shape or form, was in the film when I saw it at the theatre!! I do not understand this at all. It makes no scene why they would change the movie so completely between theatre and DVD. And change it to its detriment, I might add. Sorry for the rant, but this has been one of the greatest irritations to me in the last few years! All I want to see is the version of the movie I saw in the theatres and not the crappy DVD/Video release. Urghhhhhhhh! For proof, you can see the kiss scene that was cut in the Hoku video. Why, oh why, would they cut Luke Wilson kissing someone out of a DVD release?!!!!! Please tell me I am not the only one who has noticed this. Please Does anyone have any idea WHY studios would be as stupid as to change a movie in this way?
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Post by bunnypanda on Mar 31, 2004 16:46:05 GMT -5
LL, I really understand your frustration! Studios sometimes don't think of us real fans ;D They sometimes think they can change things to make the movies appeal to more people or for other reasons but, you know, for us, there are certain scenes we can't live without!!!
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DarkRoan
Anthony's Spanish Tutor
I'm tempermentally unsuited to domesticity
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Post by DarkRoan on Apr 1, 2004 15:59:59 GMT -5
the boy that Bill Murray's character takes care of...who is he?? what is his place in the movie?? kinda got me wondering if that boy is suppose to be Anderson, since TRT is loosely (foundation) story of how he felt always hanging around the Wilson family when they were younger?? wanting to be part of the wilson family?? do ya'll get that?
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Post by Meribethm on Apr 1, 2004 16:40:49 GMT -5
Dudley and his condition are the case study for Raleigh's (BM) research and book.
I don't know if it is supposed to be Wes.
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