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Post by rach on Nov 8, 2009 13:10:05 GMT -5
i watched this last night,really enjoyed it .luke was such a cute teenager really beefy. Thought they could of included andrew a little more,as he also acts.They seem very grounded,this i think is due to their parents.I did find it a little snide on lukes part constantly going over his movie failures compared to owen. The praising of owen 4 his bottle rocket performance and not even mentioning luke 4 his royal tenenbaum perfrmance bugged me.As much as i enjoyed it,it told very little of the ppl they actually are, but i think it may be because they r quite private . The e channel skirts over alot of the rumours about owens love life and never once mentions woody his very `special friend.`Only talking of his relationship with kate and sheryl crow which i feel r fake romances created by his managment.
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Post by iluvtexas on Nov 8, 2009 15:25:07 GMT -5
Rach, I totally disagree with you. In fact I think Owen is very genuine in all regards of his life. I think he would be a very loyal and trustworthy friend to have watching your back. I respect that aspect in anyone. I am stunned a fan would think otherwise and make such a statement leading on that Owen would even allow his management team or anyone else for that matter to interfere with his personal life by setting up anything "fake"..... I am glad I do not share your take on things I prefer the glass to be half full not half empty....  P.S. My view applies to all the Wilson's, Owen, Luke, Andrew and their mother and father. I think they are all worthy of admiration and high regard. One would only aspire to achieve the levels of success in a such a public career choice. It is apparent that each member of their family works hard to be the best they can be doing what they love doing, and they remain grateful, grounded and respectful. Management can not provide that only the person who is actually chooses to live that way can. Obviously, all of the Wilson's have done well and continue to do so. |
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Post by Vera on Nov 8, 2009 17:18:06 GMT -5
Rach, Owen is probably one of the least gay guys in Hollywood. I can't believe you would imply that. He and Woody are friends. Woody is married with kids. Can't guys be friends with other guys?
Also, iluvtexas is correct. Owen is not like other stars who have management run their personal lives and release false information. In everything I've read about him, he would never allow that to happen or sanction it. He has faults that's for sure, but he totally is genuine and what you see is what you get.
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Post by lonegazer on Nov 8, 2009 17:48:33 GMT -5
I have to agree that I don't think Owen's relationship with Kate and Sheryl were fake. Kate was married at the time she was first rumoured to have got together with Owen and her son was very young, about 2 or 3, and she got quite negative publicity which has continued over the years whenever she's been with Owen so she hasn't benefited from this and I don't think Owen has either, publicity-wise that is.
As I've mentioned on another thread recently Owen and Kate seemed to have dated every year since they've met for a short time and then break up, so we could see another replay except A-Rod still appears to be a big part of Kate's life and that might scupper another reconciliation if they get more serious.
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Post by texasgal on Nov 8, 2009 20:06:49 GMT -5
I have to agree with the others. I believe Owen's relationship with Kate & Sheryl were totally genuine. I see no reason to think otherwise. I find it very hard to believe Owen's management would create fake relationships for him or that Owen would allow them to do so. What evidence is there to think such a thing? Owen (and his brothers) are private people who try their best to keep their personal lives private.
I see no reason to think Owen & Woody are anything more than very good close friends. Woody is married with kids and, as for Owen, a lot of heterosexuals are unmarried. Just because someone is unmarried is no reason to think they might be gay. It's unfair to think there's more to their relationship without any supporting evidence.
Of course, the brothers were very properly raised by their parents, and their parents are the reason the brothers are as grounded they are. But why should that even be mentioned as if it's something unusual? I think it's a characteristic of all parents. As the saying goes: "The apple doesn't fall far from the tree." I think, from what I've observed, Mr & Mrs Wilson taught their sons good values and good life skills.
Several others of us here did find faults with this program (such as the conclusion-jumping and assumed causes and effects). We discussed these problems in earlier threads so I'd rather not repeat them. Still, we were glad to see the program as we got to see images and video footage of the Wilson family we had never seen before anywhere else.
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Post by rach on Nov 8, 2009 20:28:56 GMT -5
yes i agree with all of the above, but it is a fact that many Hollywood actors live secret lives,many r married with children..Maybe i should have learned from past posting not to state my feelings on this forum,just keep it to their movies and future projects.In no way do i mean it as an insult,to be gay is never an insult. None of this is any of my business of course,just as who Luke is dating..Owen is a wonderful actor and quite a gifted writer,so i should maybe only concern myself with that and not his personal life.. |
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Post by texasgal on Nov 8, 2009 22:15:47 GMT -5
Rach, there's nothing wrong with discussing things here and sharing our opinions. But, generally speaking, opinions should be based on some kind of factual evidence, don't you agree? If you have reason to think what you do, it would be nice if you would share that with us too. I was just asking what evidence you have to support the opinion you have, that's all.
I have occasionally stated opinions and cited the reasons why here in the past to which few agreed. I don't think we should take anyone's opinion personally as none of us know these things for fact. It's just a matter of degree of probability there is to support our opinions. Most of us felt there is little-to-no probability Owen is gay whereas you disagree.
Many Hollywood people (and others as well!) live secret lives, that's true. I suppose keeping one's personal life private could be interpreted by others as living a secret life. But even if one is keeping a private life private, why should anyone jump to the conclusion - or even suspect - the person is living a secret life because he/she is gay? I don't see the connection. That the person is private about his/her personal life because he/she is gay is only one possibility among other possible reasons.
And is there a reason to suspect that any given Hollywood person who is married with children is secretly gay? Yes, gay people (especially in certain professions) have been known to hide their homosexuality behind a wife and kids. But I think it's going a bit far to suspect that most - or even some - Hollywood people are doing this. Probably only a teeny tiny number of contemporary Hollywood actors are engaged in this hiding act.
And ever since Rock Hudson "came out" in the mid-1980's, open homosexuality has become so common (especially among Hollywood actors) that there is little reason anymore for actors to keep their homosexuality a secret, certainly not to the extent that they had to in the past. It's different for other professions but not for entertainment. I think in the entertainment world, for someone's homosexuality to become known would be received with pretty much a "ho-hum" response anymore.
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Post by meowencrazy on Nov 9, 2009 11:47:32 GMT -5
Uhhh...are we debating Owen's sexuality? If Owen has, in fact, been living a "double" life, he's trying too, too hard to appear straight (seriously, those Playboy mansion visits were quite unnecessary  )  Q. If someone is trying to appear straight, they won't exactly wrestle a man out in the open, would they? Oh they're just boys, let them fave fun  |
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Post by Remi on Nov 9, 2009 14:39:32 GMT -5
Rach, when I first read your post I didn't understand that you were saying Woody and Owen are gay... To be fair, I think the press has taken their friendship in the last couple of years and twisted it to appear as though they could be (the term "Bromance" comes to mind) - just to add more drama and interest which equals more $ for the gossip rags. I have also read and been told that "you'd be surprised who is actually gay in Hollywood". They keep it under wraps so the actor/actress can keep their specific appeal (ie. action, romance movie stars), I guess. I don't think that's Owen though. I have no doubt he LOVES the ladies. I don't know how long you've been a fan of his, but if you've read what I have read, and seen what I have seen, you might understand why the notion of Owen being gay is so silly to some of us. Also, if Owen was gay, he would be married and have three kids by now... #hmm# (I'm joking with you, Rach.) |
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Post by rach on Nov 9, 2009 14:57:59 GMT -5
Sorry ladies i`m convinced, but i knew nobody would agree with me...lol..
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Post by lonegazer on Nov 9, 2009 17:22:38 GMT -5
I agree that Hollywood gay men in the closet tend to marry and stay long term with their wives (beards!) and children and carry on like that for years, which I think is a cop out because they feel they can't be who they really are. For years there's been loads of rumours about certain actors like Tom Cruise, Will Smith, Hugh Jackman etc but nothing about Owen and surely something would have come out by now. Not that I mind him and Woody entwining, as long that is if Woody's wife's ok with it, although is that likely? I can't see Owen with a family somehow.
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Post by texasgal on Nov 9, 2009 17:36:44 GMT -5
Sorry ladies but these rumors about Hollywood being populated by closeted gay men have been going on for as long as there's been a Hollywood. Randolph Scott and Cary Grant immediately come to mind. And you wonder if the most macho of all - John Wayne - may have dealt with such rumors behind his back. After all, being SOOOOO macho as he was, of course his machismo HAD to be just a cover-up.
Get a grip, ladies.
And Rach, if you're so convinced, I'm dying to know what fact convinced you. Why are you keeping your insider's knowledge such a secret? I think it's kind of mean-spirited of you not to let us in on your secret.
'Course, not that I give a flea's fart. I was once madly infatuated with a gay guy but, sadly, he is deceased now. So I'm still gonna be crazy for Owen gay, straight, or not sure. And I'm still gonna be crazy for him if Woody divorces his wife and he & Owen hook up together. (I may be the most liberal lib in Texas, LOL). May Owen & Woody live happily ever after.
#hug# #kissing# ;D
And if Owen & Woody ever were to come out (not that I think they would since they're not gay), I'm convinced their news would be met with nothing more than a yawn. Sorry y'all, but such news has absolutely no shock value anymore.
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Post by rach on Nov 9, 2009 18:01:54 GMT -5
sorry texasgirl i have no proof,but if i get any i will post here first. just a strong feeling i have..I also have the same feeling about hugh jackman,john travolta and mr cruise..Very few actors in hollywood have come out,it makes no sense for there to be so many straight actors.I do understand y actors in hollywood cover it up [career wise] its just a shame in this modern world they have to. I also wish woody and owen r very happy together. I must stress its none of my nosy business dear actors,please take no offence..
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Post by texasgal on Nov 9, 2009 18:11:22 GMT -5
Sorry, Rach, but "comings-out" among entertainers have lost all their shock value in this day and age. As for your being "convinced," how in the world can you have a "feeling" about strangers you've never met, have never even seen in person. Or have you? If you haven't, it's strange to have prejudice against someone of whom you claim to be a fan. How many times have you seen Owen or Woody, or seen them together out of all the times you have not seen them together? I can't imagine what you might say about me and my women friends, some of whom I've gone camping with! Whoo-wee, the rumors you'd spread about us. Eek!  |
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Post by rach on Nov 9, 2009 18:24:15 GMT -5
No high profile actor in hollywood has ever come out texasgirl. u really don`t believe they all could be straight.I have no predudice,to be gay is not an insult.There r many rumours concerning all of these actors, yes owen too.The new york times wrote an excellent piece about y the A list in hollywood will never come out, simply the fans will not accept it, hollywood has a huge closet. we still live in a vey predudice world. I do praise the ones who have come out, they themselves have said there r many secret gays actors in hollywood.
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