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Post by texasgal on Oct 11, 2009 10:35:11 GMT -5
Yes, I know where England is in relation to France. I guess all the Americans I know who've been in France - including my sister and sister-in-law - are all snobs. Funny, I never noticed. Maybe I'm a snob too?
;D
Reminds me of humor writer David Sedaris and his book Me Talk Pretty One Day, about his residency in France.
I've been in Texas for 9 years and, though I like Texas, I do NOT fit in with Texas culture.
Transplantation is interesting....
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Post by meowencrazy on Oct 11, 2009 11:24:04 GMT -5
rach, it would be really nice if you could "tone down" your posts. The forum is based on mutual trust and respect. I don't care whether you're Wes's no. 1 fan or no. 2 fan, please be nice. Also, stereotyping on the basis of the country are really rude. I'm from India and I'm sick of the weird head-bobbing thing that is attributed to us. I'm sure the French won't be too happy with your post either.
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Post by texasgal on Oct 11, 2009 12:08:39 GMT -5
I'm from India and I'm sick of the weird head-bobbing thing that is attributed to us. Sorry for going so far off-topic, but SP, I've always wondered about that. I've seen it in comedies and cartoons from my childhood. I have no idea where that came from or how/when it got started. All I can think of is maybe it came from some kind of dance? I'm not familiar with Indian or south Asian dancing. I used to do middle eastern dancing and, in that, there is a head movement (can't remember what it's called) where the dancer slides her head from side to side. And usually the dancer's arms are raised over her head with the palms of her hands touching when this head movement is done. But the head is not bobbed. |
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Post by rach on Oct 11, 2009 12:22:22 GMT -5
yes i will tone down my post,i will not post on here again..because it`s not very nice to be accused of not being nice..I didn`t realise this forum was only for worshipping wes anderson.,my mistake .peace and love xxxx
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Post by lonegazer on Oct 11, 2009 12:43:49 GMT -5
Rach, there's no reason why you shouldn't post again on this site if you're a Luke fan, Luke didn't sign the Roman pervert Polanski petition! That's why I haven't joined in this discussion because since Wes joined the petition for RP I haven't posted anything in his favour. I'm going to carry on for the Wilson boys, especially for Luke as he doesn't seem to be getting as much attention lately.... maybe it's the beard.... but I'm still there.
Tristan Oliver is very experienced in his profession and he probably had good reason for feeling pretty aggrieved that Wes locked himself away so much.
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Post by texasgal on Oct 11, 2009 13:01:27 GMT -5
Rach, I don't see evidence that this forum is only for "worshipping" Wes. I think some of us have been pretty hard on him - because we feel he deserves the criticism. And I don't see SP's posting as saying YOU are not nice.
I'm sorry to see you leave but I understand you don't feel comfortable posting here. Take some time off if that's what's best for you and, after that, I hope you'll feel differently.
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Post by meowencrazy on Oct 11, 2009 13:37:15 GMT -5
yes i will tone down my post,i will not post on here again..because it`s not very nice to be accused of not being nice..I didn`t realise this forum was only for worshipping wes anderson.,my mistake .peace and love xxxx I'm not gonna apologize for what I said. I don't like accusing people I don't know. I don't think most people here do. If you really are such a big fan as you say you are, you wouldn't need to rant about it all the time. I love Owen Wilson and sometimes what he does just pisses me off...but that does not mean I complain about him in every post of mine. This is a discussion board, not a debate. I've been on this forum for almost 2 years now and I don't wanna say this but till recently the forum was quite peaceful. Maybe it will be better if we stop talking about personal opinions altogether and avoid controversial issues. What I don't get is, if you've already decided against watching TFMF, why even bother reading this thread? Wes attacks were okay but attacks on any country or its people is unforgivable Call me a worshiper if you will, but you have no right to call call Americans or French snobbish, irrespective of your own experiences. |
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Post by iluvtexas on Oct 11, 2009 14:56:48 GMT -5
rach, it would be really nice if you could "tone down" your posts. The forum is based on mutual trust and respect. I don't care whether you're Wes's no. 1 fan or no. 2 fan, please be nice. Also, stereotyping on the basis of the country are really rude. I'm from India and I'm sick of the weird head-bobbing thing that is attributed to us. I'm sure the French won't be too happy with your post either. "Tone down" a general comment about the French culture? I ask this, do you think that perhaps the opinion(s) stated regarding the French culture were stated in a "nice" way considering it could have been so stated much more harshly? Stating an opinion that you think the French are arrogant/"a snob", is not a malicious statement. I do not think what "rach" posted was malicious, malevolent, or in other words mean spirited. It is an opinion of the French culture and someone should be able to state that in general reference. If you are offended then state your case as why you do not agree and then you have a discussion going and you might teach, or become educated in a new point of view. I have traveled in France, I studied the French language in high school and in college and when my husband and I were in France the countryside was most charming, the food excellent, of the folks we encountered on our trip it is easy to say most of them were very arrogant and in some cases just plain rude. Still we accepted the culture and traveled onward to our destination which was Switzerland and it was just part of the experience. I would visit France again. "Sheltering Peace" do you think your statement "I don't care whether you're Wes's no. 1 fan or no. 2 fan, please be nice." is really all that nice? It made me laugh because it appears your making the assumption she is not nice, where is the respect in that? #unsure# "rach", I think you should continue to be a Wilsonette.  To go back on topic of the "Fantastic Mr. Fox" I will not support this movie. I am not a Wes fan by any means but I would still be a fan of Owen, Luke or Andrew even if they were "arrogant" Frenchmen, as all of them are so pretty to look at and I adore their sense of humor..... #crazylove# #crazylove# #crazylove# |
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Post by Vera on Oct 11, 2009 15:42:16 GMT -5
I think that since people on this forum are from different countries or cultures, we may express ourselves differently. Rach has his/her opinion shouldn't be put down for it. I agree that a fan forum shouldn't allow trolls to come on and bash a person, but this is a totally different thing as I think people are still smarting over what Wes did. It's hard to get over it when someone you've always admired is supporting someone or something you believe to be immoral. So I say give Rach a break.
P.S. Iluvtexas, My husband and I have traveled in France as well, as I also studied French for 5 years and wanted to visit. I used to get so mad when I'd hear Americans bash the French because I thought they were probably stereotyping and I don't like that. However, when I finally got to France, I unfortunately found out what people had said was true. I've traveled all over Europe and had never encountered so much out-and-out rudeness, both in the Paris and the countryside, which I traveled extensively. That's why I mentioned in a previous post that I believe living in Paris may have influenced Wes for the worse.
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Post by texasgal on Oct 11, 2009 17:06:00 GMT -5
Well, like I said above, my sister spent a summer in France, in Macon, studying French. When she returned home she said she hadn't found the French particularly friendly or hospitable. But I didn't notice my sister was a snob at all, and I kinda resent the inference that just because my sister had been in France that she is now a snob. Considering the fact that the writer of this comment has never even met my sister, I think the assumption a bit ridiculous to make. I would never presume to know that someone I've never met was any particular way just because he/she had visited a particular country. But maybe there's something wrong with me.
Edited to add: I think Nala is on to something. I think some of us are still very sensitive and disappointed because of what Wes did and are writing things we might not have written otherwise. So yes, let's cut Rach some slack for now. May I point out though that we don't know Wes would not have signed the petition had he been living outside of France. He may have and he may not have.
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Post by tinalouise on Oct 11, 2009 18:43:55 GMT -5
I don't see how just moving someplace would change your personality.
Parisians may be snobby, but Paris is awe inspiring and very attractive to artists.
Consider those who have moved there either permanently or for a duration... Gertrude Stein, Edith Wharton, Henry Miller, Ernest Hemingway, T. S. Eliot, F. Scott Fitzgerald, Ezra Pound, Josephine Baker, Charlie Parker, Jim Morrison, Allen Ginsberg, William S. Burroughs, James Joyce...
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Post by iluvtexas on Oct 11, 2009 23:09:13 GMT -5
Ok so now you have lost me.... #dazed# I re-read the comments and I can not find any one specific comment from rach or anyone else that points out any particular person who may have visited France is now a snob...In fact just writing that statement makes me laugh. I think her comment about "American's" was a general ref. to Wes being from America....but even if it wasn't and was meant in some other fashion so what....It does not make it so...  The worst that has happened is that now two members have been given grief for their opinion(s).....The first being the off-site incident which happened to tinalouise, which I think is just awful. The second being rach who was targeted for her opinion by a fellow member who also was just stating her opinion....Don't you find something incongruous about that? My comments basically are restating some of the points made by other members with one exception...I don't think the fact that Wes signed a petition is a valid reason for either being offended, or outspoken for making a comment. It is just a topic to discuss like any other on this forum. I think if you have had the good fortune to travel whether it is in my home country of America or abroad to some other country, then good for you and your love of traveling. P.S. Beware of traveling to Principality of Monaco and Monte Carlo on the French Riviera it just might make you rich....  |
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Post by meowencrazy on Oct 12, 2009 3:49:52 GMT -5
Ah well, I don't care anymore... My obsession with the Wilsons ended in Feb '09. I just visit this place because I have so many good friends here. The forum was much better in 2008, everyone was nice, which is why I was nice (Tit for tat, I say) well, I don't have to make <air inverts>new friends</air inverts> anymore. P.S. We have an active member, from France. He's a big fan of Wes...imagine how he'd feel if he reads this thread. Americans call Americans snobby, I don't really care, but why judge people by the majority (provided the majority of French people are in fact snobby). We have many stereotypes for Americans and Europeans too...I'm not going on and on about it. Being an American, you probably don't mind the comments, you might have met such people. I'm not an American and I don't know these people...it makes me uncomfortable, judging people like that... |
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Post by texasgal on Oct 12, 2009 17:31:04 GMT -5
I re-read back through the posts too and found some strange comments: that France has a bad effect on Americans, something in the water, it [I'm assuming 'it' refers to France] turns people into the worst snobs....the snobbery is shocking... makes Americans bad-mouth America.
It's very nice that the writer is concerned about the way Americans are speaking about America when in France. But perhaps those same Americans were bad-mouthing America when they were in America too. Is there some reason to believe Americans bad-mouth America only when they are in France, or outside the United States?
I also read the allegation that this forum is for Wes "worshippers" only. I don't see any evidence for that statement. On the contrary, I've read a great deal of Wes-bashing here (not that he doesn't deserve it; he does. And yes, I took part in it too). It's fine for people to not particularly like this forum for whatever reason they find; we've lost many members over the years. But doesn't anyone else find it just a little unfair to make false claims about this forum?
Anyway, you can consider that question rhetorical as I don't expect anyone is going to agree with me. After all this, I'd hope this is all a misunderstanding but I've made so many enemies here that maybe I too shouldn't be a "Wilsonette" anymore.
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Post by tinalouise on Oct 12, 2009 18:10:06 GMT -5
It is nice that this site has remained so friendly throughout the years, but basic facts on any forum is there are going to be some arguments and hurt feelings. We just all need to dust ourselves off and forget about it. In life, if you have a few cross words with someone you are usually over it in a minute or a day. It is different when it is print. You tend to re read it, dwell on it. Plus, you really cannot gage someone's tone when reading something. Friendly jesting and sarcasm can come across wrong. Everyone has the right to post their opinions here whether or not they are popular or ruffle some feathers.
So in some FMF news... Wednesday is the day it premiers at BFI 53rd London Film Festival. Interesting to see what Wes gets asked on the red carpet.
Cast of voices also will include his brother Eric and girlfriend Juman.
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